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	<description>Truth, falsehood and evidence: investigations of dubious and dishonest science</description>
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		<title>By: Scientists must be ruthlessly honest about data</title>
		<link>http://www.dcscience.net/?p=182&#038;cpage=1#comment-6099</link>
		<dc:creator>Scientists must be ruthlessly honest about data</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to publish and produce results is now enormous in academia. Even in good universities people are judged by the numbers (rather than the quality) of papers they produce and by what journal they happen to be published [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Climate: science, politics and honesty</title>
		<link>http://www.dcscience.net/?p=182&#038;cpage=1#comment-5997</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate: science, politics and honesty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reason for misconduct that the pressure to publish and produce results is now enormous in academia. Even in good universities people are judged by the numbers (rather than the quality) of papers they produce and by what journal they happen to be published in. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reason for misconduct that the pressure to publish and produce results is now enormous in academia. Even in good universities people are judged by the numbers (rather than the quality) of papers they produce and by what journal they happen to be published in. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How to get good science: again</title>
		<link>http://www.dcscience.net/?p=182&#038;cpage=1#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>How to get good science: again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reason for signing the letter was that I am interested in how to get good science, and I am concerned that the government, and many vice-chancellors, are getting it wrong.&#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reason for signing the letter was that I am interested in how to get good science, and I am concerned that the government, and many vice-chancellors, are getting it wrong.&nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The original Dutch anti-quackery society: vice-chancellor narrowly misses prize</title>
		<link>http://www.dcscience.net/?p=182&#038;cpage=1#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>The original Dutch anti-quackery society: vice-chancellor narrowly misses prize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This paper has been cited all over the world, but it seems not to have been very good.  See for example the magnificent analysis of it in &#8220;Yawn, still one more overhyped acupuncture study: Does acupuncture help infertile women conceive?&#8221; The fact that the vice-chancellor appears to have been only a &#8216;guest author&#8217; anyway does not count as an excuse.  The large number of citations received by this paper should, incidentally, be seen as another nail in the coffin of attempts to measure quality by citation rates. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This paper has been cited all over the world, but it seems not to have been very good.  See for example the magnificent analysis of it in &#8220;Yawn, still one more overhyped acupuncture study: Does acupuncture help infertile women conceive?&#8221; The fact that the vice-chancellor appears to have been only a &#8216;guest author&#8217; anyway does not count as an excuse.  The large number of citations received by this paper should, incidentally, be seen as another nail in the coffin of attempts to measure quality by citation rates. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: In-human resources, science and pizza</title>
		<link>http://www.dcscience.net/?p=182&#038;cpage=1#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>In-human resources, science and pizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lot of the pressure for this sort of nonsense comes, sadly, from a government that is obsessed with measuring the unmeasurable. Again, real management people have already worked this out. The management editor of the Guardian, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lot of the pressure for this sort of nonsense comes, sadly, from a government that is obsessed with measuring the unmeasurable. Again, real management people have already worked this out. The management editor of the Guardian, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Libertarian Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why the Government Should Stay Out of Science, Completely</title>
		<link>http://www.dcscience.net/?p=182&#038;cpage=1#comment-292</link>
		<dc:creator>Libertarian Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why the Government Should Stay Out of Science, Completely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of smaller ones, attracting more and more students and raising tuition rates every year to pay for it all&#8211; while probably not even paying the grad students who are actually doing the teaching more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of smaller ones, attracting more and more students and raising tuition rates every year to pay for it all&#8211; while probably not even paying the grad students who are actually doing the teaching more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Aust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Aust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there is a trend visible in the Universities worldwide which I like to call:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;The Nobel Laureate Timeshare&quot;.&lt;/b&gt;

As Univs are pressured to have lots of outward signs that they are &quot;world leading&quot;, such as having Nobel Laureates on the staff, one or two bright sparks in Univ senior admin spotted the problem that there simply weren&#039;t enough Laureates to go around. Not to mention their tendency these days to concentrate in a subset of (particular American) big rich research-intensive Univs.

The imaginative solution developed to get around this was the &quot;part time consulting Laureate&quot;. These arrangements stretch from genuine part-time appointments for a certain number of months a year, to essentially honorary appointments which resemble company non-executive directors being supposed to turn up for a few days a year. Although to say this when Prof Bert won&#039;t even be doing the work on their site sets new standards of DoubleSpeak. Well done Ulster!

Anyway, having sealed the deal with your new Laureate, get the University PR dept to issue a hyperbolic press release, conveniently omitting to mention how many days a year of the Great Man or Woman&#039;s you are getting and/or paying for, and your World ClassTMstatus is within touching distance.

Triples and senior management team pay rises all round!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is a trend visible in the Universities worldwide which I like to call:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;The Nobel Laureate Timeshare&#8221;.</b></p>
<p>As Univs are pressured to have lots of outward signs that they are &#8220;world leading&#8221;, such as having Nobel Laureates on the staff, one or two bright sparks in Univ senior admin spotted the problem that there simply weren&#8217;t enough Laureates to go around. Not to mention their tendency these days to concentrate in a subset of (particular American) big rich research-intensive Univs.</p>
<p>The imaginative solution developed to get around this was the &#8220;part time consulting Laureate&#8221;. These arrangements stretch from genuine part-time appointments for a certain number of months a year, to essentially honorary appointments which resemble company non-executive directors being supposed to turn up for a few days a year. Although to say this when Prof Bert won&#8217;t even be doing the work on their site sets new standards of DoubleSpeak. Well done Ulster!</p>
<p>Anyway, having sealed the deal with your new Laureate, get the University PR dept to issue a hyperbolic press release, conveniently omitting to mention how many days a year of the Great Man or Woman&#8217;s you are getting and/or paying for, and your World ClassTMstatus is within touching distance.</p>
<p>Triples and senior management team pay rises all round!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Pasternak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Pasternak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear David&lt;br /&gt;
What an excellent article. I&#039;ve long contended that [as far as the dreadful RAE is concerned], productivity [ie publications] should be&lt;br /&gt;
DIVIDED, not MULTIPLIED, by the amount of grant money received - a view which Bob May [former President of the Royal Society, Lord May] privately shared.&lt;br /&gt;
Charles Pasternak&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear David<br />
What an excellent article. I&#8217;ve long contended that [as far as the dreadful RAE is concerned], productivity [ie publications] should be<br />
DIVIDED, not MULTIPLIED, by the amount of grant money received &#8211; a view which Bob May [former President of the Royal Society, Lord May] privately shared.<br />
Charles Pasternak</p>
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		<title>By: Are you reconceptualising yet?</title>
		<link>http://www.dcscience.net/?p=182&#038;cpage=1#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>Are you reconceptualising yet?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] as far as I know, been the sort of crude bullying about this at UCL that I have heard about in, say Imperial and several other places). Furthermore we mustn’t collaborate with anyone in the same place because the [...]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as far as I know, been the sort of crude bullying about this at UCL that I have heard about in, say Imperial and several other places). Furthermore we mustn’t collaborate with anyone in the same place because the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Colquhoun</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Colquhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your comment Bert. I just hope the people who decide on the next RAE will listen to your advice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Incidentally, just in case anyone is puzzled by the announcement that Bert Sakmann is moving to the University of Ulster, it should be pointed out that &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.ulster.ac.uk/releases/2007/3521.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;their news item&lt;/a&gt; is a piece of world class spin. He&#039;s agreed to advise an ex-student of his, now in Ireland, on a computational project of mutual interest, after his move to Munich.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment Bert. I just hope the people who decide on the next RAE will listen to your advice.</p>
<p>Incidentally, just in case anyone is puzzled by the announcement that Bert Sakmann is moving to the University of Ulster, it should be pointed out that <a href="http://news.ulster.ac.uk/releases/2007/3521.html" rel="nofollow">their news item</a> is a piece of world class spin. He&#8217;s agreed to advise an ex-student of his, now in Ireland, on a computational project of mutual interest, after his move to Munich.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Sakmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bert Sakmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear David,

Congratulations for your article in Physiology News, no. 69, 2007, p. 12 PN Soapbox. I agree with every sentence.

Bert Sakmann</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear David,</p>
<p>Congratulations for your article in Physiology News, no. 69, 2007, p. 12 PN Soapbox. I agree with every sentence.</p>
<p>Bert Sakmann</p>
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		<title>By: David Colquhoun</title>
		<link>http://www.dcscience.net/?p=182&#038;cpage=1#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>David Colquhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you very much&lt;br /&gt;
 This puts the matter perfectly, I think.  UCL, founded in 1826, and the Humboldt University, Berlin, founded in 1810 share much in the ideals of their founders. They even look similar.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;img src=&quot;http://dcscience.net/humboldt-univ-berlin-hauptgebaeude1.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Humboldt U Berlin&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much<br />
 This puts the matter perfectly, I think.  UCL, founded in 1826, and the Humboldt University, Berlin, founded in 1810 share much in the ideals of their founders. They even look similar.</p>
<p><img src="http://dcscience.net/humboldt-univ-berlin-hauptgebaeude1.jpg" alt="Humboldt U Berlin" /></p>
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		<title>By: bkotchoubey</title>
		<link>http://www.dcscience.net/?p=182&#038;cpage=1#comment-285</link>
		<dc:creator>bkotchoubey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree to 99% with this paper, but it is 1% which I want to comment.&lt;br /&gt;

The contemporary German academic system was founded by the brothers von Humboldt about 200 years ago. The idea was very simple but extremely effective: A king (or government) should only find a few outstanding researchers with clean reputation and brilliant records and give them a carte blanche. They, then, will automatically search for other peoples like themselves: intelligent, conscious, talented, unstained and truth-seeking. The only reliable criterion that X is a good scientist is the recommendation of Y and Z who are already known in that they are good scientists. The financial system should correspond to the same principles: From a certain level, a scientist should get enough money to not have to worry about the life&#039;s difficulties; this salary should be independent of his formal performance, otherwise he would think on the formal performance rather than research. Even outstanding achievements should not further improve his financial status; otherwise, he would try to pursue money instead of Truth.&lt;br /&gt;

It&#039;s surprising but this simple system did work excellently up to 1933. During Nazi time, politics and ideology intervened the university life so that Jews and left-wing thinking people were replaced by those with &#039;national feelings&#039;. The problem was not that the latter were not Jews, or that they were Nazis (in fact, the huge majority of them was NOT), but that they were mediocre.&lt;br /&gt;

The German science had not recovered form this first shock when the second one come in 1968. To become a professor, your research abilities was not important that time, but only your political views were. In 1933-1945, the selection criteria were purely white (German) origin, &#039;national feelings&#039;, and lack of contacts with Jews or socialists. In 1970-1980 (in some branches such as sociology, up to now), these criteria were political correctness and leftist thinking. Most importantly, both lists clearly do not include scientific excellence.&lt;br /&gt;

But the principal criterion suggested by Humboldt is still valid! That is, the personal recommendation of established scientists decides the fate of the following generations of scientists. With the difference that the established scientists were, once, established on the basis of non-scientific criteria. Humboldt&#039;s idea was that &#039;a brilliant scientist will look for another brilliant scientist, and so on&#039;. But a mediocre scientist is naturally looking for other mediocre scientists. In exact according with Humboldt, people recommend further those who are like themselves. Thus the mediocrity is now automatically maintaining mediocrity like earlier brilliance automatically maintained brilliance.&lt;br /&gt;
The two shocks were further complicated by some natural circumstances. At Humboldt&#039;s time, there were a few small universities with several hundreds of professors who taught a small number of students. Now there are hundred of universities and colleges (&quot;Hochschulen&quot;) whose task is to educate a good third of the German population. The criterion of personal recommendation (&#039;He is good, because I know that he is good, and you know that I am good&#039;) cannot work in these conditions as it worked 200 or even 100 years ago. This is like Communism which can work, at least for some time, in groups of 100-200 people (Kibbuzim) but immediately fails in any large community.&lt;br /&gt;

To summarise: You argue that the scientific community should be self-ruled rather than bureaucracy -ruled. Your arguments are convincing. Particularly as long as the academic self-rule still does its job. But when the chain is once broken, it does not work any longer.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree to 99% with this paper, but it is 1% which I want to comment.</p>
<p>The contemporary German academic system was founded by the brothers von Humboldt about 200 years ago. The idea was very simple but extremely effective: A king (or government) should only find a few outstanding researchers with clean reputation and brilliant records and give them a carte blanche. They, then, will automatically search for other peoples like themselves: intelligent, conscious, talented, unstained and truth-seeking. The only reliable criterion that X is a good scientist is the recommendation of Y and Z who are already known in that they are good scientists. The financial system should correspond to the same principles: From a certain level, a scientist should get enough money to not have to worry about the life&#8217;s difficulties; this salary should be independent of his formal performance, otherwise he would think on the formal performance rather than research. Even outstanding achievements should not further improve his financial status; otherwise, he would try to pursue money instead of Truth.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s surprising but this simple system did work excellently up to 1933. During Nazi time, politics and ideology intervened the university life so that Jews and left-wing thinking people were replaced by those with &#8216;national feelings&#8217;. The problem was not that the latter were not Jews, or that they were Nazis (in fact, the huge majority of them was NOT), but that they were mediocre.</p>
<p>The German science had not recovered form this first shock when the second one come in 1968. To become a professor, your research abilities was not important that time, but only your political views were. In 1933-1945, the selection criteria were purely white (German) origin, &#8216;national feelings&#8217;, and lack of contacts with Jews or socialists. In 1970-1980 (in some branches such as sociology, up to now), these criteria were political correctness and leftist thinking. Most importantly, both lists clearly do not include scientific excellence.</p>
<p>But the principal criterion suggested by Humboldt is still valid! That is, the personal recommendation of established scientists decides the fate of the following generations of scientists. With the difference that the established scientists were, once, established on the basis of non-scientific criteria. Humboldt&#8217;s idea was that &#8216;a brilliant scientist will look for another brilliant scientist, and so on&#8217;. But a mediocre scientist is naturally looking for other mediocre scientists. In exact according with Humboldt, people recommend further those who are like themselves. Thus the mediocrity is now automatically maintaining mediocrity like earlier brilliance automatically maintained brilliance.<br />
The two shocks were further complicated by some natural circumstances. At Humboldt&#8217;s time, there were a few small universities with several hundreds of professors who taught a small number of students. Now there are hundred of universities and colleges (&#8220;Hochschulen&#8221;) whose task is to educate a good third of the German population. The criterion of personal recommendation (&#8216;He is good, because I know that he is good, and you know that I am good&#8217;) cannot work in these conditions as it worked 200 or even 100 years ago. This is like Communism which can work, at least for some time, in groups of 100-200 people (Kibbuzim) but immediately fails in any large community.</p>
<p>To summarise: You argue that the scientific community should be self-ruled rather than bureaucracy -ruled. Your arguments are convincing. Particularly as long as the academic self-rule still does its job. But when the chain is once broken, it does not work any longer.</p>
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