@andyarty
At least, unlike Bee65, you seem to realise that Wren was both delusional and (unintentionally perhaps) wicked.

Yours is the usual straw man argument, However much harm is done by conventional medicine, it doesn’t excuse harm done by people like those described here,

It is all a matter of balancing benefit and risk Certainly some drugs do harm, and sum do good, At the risk of resorting to anecdot, I’d be dead three times over without regular medicine (most recently from a kidney tumour). Without general anaesthetics I’d have suffered horribly during surgery.

I personally, was given painkillers and a standard diet sheet and told that it was old age and there was no cure for my crippling arthiritic pains all over my body by my GP, the state registered dietician and the specialist over many years.

But inquisitive people are beginning to question, ‘Why have I got this?, What can I do about it?’. They are not leaving any stone unturned; ‘Urine theraphy, castor oil packing? Bring it on!’ Some of it may be deemed quackery, no matter.

Well, wake up WORLDPRESS, there are many people out there who have found a solution to their problems through trying alternative diets, techniques and lifestyle changes and want to spread the word.

And it is catching like wildfire. For example, even the NHS recently decreed that the doctors methods of popping pills and scanning is doing nothing for relieving back pain and costing the NHS and the economy millions of pounds and want to consider acupuncture and other alternatives.

If I waited for medical science to prove why alternative nutrition and therapies work, I would be on my third hip replacement at best or in a wheel chair by now.

As it is, 20 years on, I am walking for many hours, jogging and trapezing on an asymetric sailing dingy, joining races along with young people who are one third of my age. And all without any pain!

Meanwhile my GP who was same age as me and who protested at the time, ‘You can not live on that!’ was deceased 2 years ago of a degenerative disease himself. I only wish he took notice when I told him how I made myself better, as he was a dear friend…

Ann Wigmore and Barbara Wrens of this world are a mixture of Gallileos of our day, questioning whether the world is really flat and your old nan, who cured you through good old fashioned methods handed down through centuries. (X-communication and burning at the stake comes to mind.)

They are aiding many people like me let down by the system who overcome their afflictions and want to shout from the rooftops, THERE IS HOPE OUT THERE, DON’T GIVE UP !!!’ They may choose become disciples themselves as alternative nutritionists.

What it comes down to is, the Naturopaths harness the NATURE’s ability to cure which is plentiful if we know how. We are part of a big experiment designed over millions of years and constantly evolving. It is wise to sometimes go back to the drawing board and remind ourselves where we have come from when we are lost in a jungle of adverts from different interest groups.

This girl paparazzi chasing Barbara down the road saying, ‘Are you claiming you can cure?’ is very naive. She should enrol in her course for two years and study the many anotomy and physiology, nutrition and other informative books that are needed to do a multitude of homeworks and pass hours of exams, do hours of research on the Internet on various maladies before she can even begin to judge her, instead of dumbing one session down for a sensational short article and a ‘You tube’ video to earn a few £’s.

It is a great shame that one person was damaged as a result of consultation of a nutritionist but the jury is out whether this person has misunderstood the theraphy; there is no liability accepted. We are not given the facts of the case to judge properly.

We must remind ourselves that people are incapacited and die in the care of the NHS for all sorts of reasons all the time as well.

The world would be a stifling place if we did not have freedom of speech and quiz everything that is thrown at us by the establishment, especially if we sense that something is not quite right and we need to seek the truth.

We have just found out that our MP’s are short of honest in their dealings with expenses. Apparently a new MP is approached by drug companies quite regularly. How do we know that a lot of what we are offered as ‘cure’ in the NHS has got our best interests at heart?

Our childeren are poisoned and a lot of lives are wrecked by alcohol due to relaxation on alcohol availability laws. Do not tell me that they did not have a vested interest in pushing alcohol 24 hours a day on unsuspected young people? The pictures we see of young people behaving badly outside pubs at 2 o’clock in the morning and related crimes are heart breaking.

Moral of the story so far?

There are no morals any more.

We are lost in a world of spin, deception, and incompetence.

It is up to us as individuals to boldly seek the truth if we want to live long and prosper!

I notice, though, that you don’t comment on the absurd, preposterous made-up nonsense that Barbara Nash was taught.

Perhaps I’ll be sued under our pernicious defamation laws for saying that. but it is a duty to point out that people who say that you can cure cancer with castor oil compresses, even if they believe that absurd idea themselves, run the risk of killing people, and giving false hope to the desperate.

In my view that is deluded and plain wicked. Do I take it, Anne, that you don’t approve of the Cancer Act 1939? Do you think that anyone should be able to sell something as a cancer cure if they can persuade people to pay for it?

And getting back to your original topic, perhaps you could tell us the evidence that a “hydration diet” is healthy? I’m sure that you won’t rise to that challenge though, because there is no such evidence.

Had he/she read about Gandhi he/she could have still learned to drink her own bodily wastes and saved £1300 in the process

David – I never met anyone who thought they had all the answers (apart of course from religionists and total woosters).

Or are you being ironic?

However, NOT to go and get properly treated once the wound had become overtly infected… and even more so once he must have begun getting systemic symptoms (i.e. actually feeling generally ill) as a result of the sepsis (blood poisoning) which would presumably have eventually killed him…

That is, basically, completely flat-out crazy.

And if he had gone early on to get proper treatment (debridement, dressings) for his wound he might have been able to manage without Evil Big Pharma drugs at all. Diabetic foot ulcer is hardly an unknown problem in conventional medicine.

Anyway, talk about dying for your beliefs. Dr*T’s parallel with Jehovah’s Witnesses expiring for want of blood transfusions that their beliefs prohibit is spot on.